Quotes From Unconditional Eternal Securists
BY RYAN HICKS
© 1999-2009 Ryan Hicks
In this study we will look at many quotes taken directly from unconditional eternal security teachers. We will put them each to the test of Scripture and see whether they stand or fall by God's standards. All quotes from the unconditional eternal securists will be put in blue.
"The fact that God is responsible for my security in Him, and not me, is very comforting. This is Paul’s point in Romans chapters seven and eight."
From this quote alone we can understand why so many are deceived (1 John 3:5-10) into believing that once they are saved, they are always saved. It is comforting. It is really comforting. What wicked, devilish, sinful, hell bound person wouldn't want to hear "God is responsible for my security in Him, not me?" This doctrine puts all the responsibility for a believer's lifestyle on God, but what saith the Scriptures?
1 Corinthians 15:1-2
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Hebrews 3:6
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Jude 21
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
While there are numerous other Scriptures proving that believers have to keep themselves saved through the power of God, these are obvious enough. One has to be willfully ignorant to not see the truth in these verses!
"The very gospel itself comes under attack when the eternal security of the believer is questioned."
This is nothing more than a scare tactic by unconditional eternal securists to scare believers from questioning their vain tradition. Jesus did not even once teach anything close to unconditional eternal security. I will grant that a gospel does come under attack when the unconditional eternal security of the believer is questioned, but that gospel is a different gospel and is not the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:6-10).
"The Bible teaches that God chooses us, but we cannot choose Him. So that means that we cannot choose not to be in Him any more than we can choose to be in Him in the first place."
This argument is sufficiently destroyed in my teaching about Free Choice Agents.
Nothing can SEPARATE us from our Father!
Just as nothing can "negate" your physical birth, nothing can "negate" your spiritual birth.
My children will always be my children. We may have troubled times. Our fellowship may be broken, but our relationship can never be broken. They will always be my children. Nothing or nobody can change that! And once you are born again spiritually - God becomes your Father - nothing or nobody can change that! Your fellowship may be broken, but your relationship can never be broken!
"For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, SHALL BE ABLE TO SEPARATE US from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38
"My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:29
This is typical UES teaching. It stands upon feeling and thoughts rather than the word of God. Notice how the main point is comparing God with man. The Biblical teaching that you can forfeit your salvation does not call into question God's Fatherhood, rather it teaches the free will of the believer to choose to remain saved.
They believe that you can never have your relationship broken with God once your are born-again. The definition of "relationship" is the condition or fact of being related. If you read 1 John 3:1-10 you will clearly realize that if one was truly born-again and they start living in sin they are now defined as a child of the devil. Thus, by their free will they changed families, from the family of God to the family of the devil.
Both of these Scriptures are great and glorious promises from the word, but neither proves what the UES proponents are trying to force them to prove. Romans 8:38 is teaching that nothing can separate a believer from their love for God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Read the whole chapter to get the idea of the context. If the UES teachers want to debate that the love of God here is not our love for God, bur His love for us, then that is fine. Let's assume they are right for the sake of discussion. Either way the idea is that this love is IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD! If one falls away and becomes out of Christ, this love no longer applies to them.
John 10:29 is a great promise that no man can pluck believers out of their Father's hand. That is what it teaches. It does not teach that you cannot, as a believer, walk out of His hands. It simply teaches that man cannot take you out of God's hands, but it does not talk about your own ability to choose to leave His hands.
Jesus will NEVER leave us!
Jesus promised He will never leave us. Jesus could not say this if there was even a chance of losing our salvation.
". . .for he hath said, I WILL NEVER LEAVE THEE, nor forsake thee." Hebrews 13:5
". . . and, lo, I am with you ALWAY, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:20
Neither of these verses prove anything close to what they are trying to force their meaning to be. The truth is that Jesus will never leave us or forsake us, but we can leave or forsake Him. All these Scriptures are centered around God's actions and not the actions of the believer. God will never just decide to forsake any believe, ever! Yet, the believer may decide to forsake Him. Once a believer has forsaken God He then will give them up to themselves and forsake them. This does not contradict that He will never leave or forsake a believer, rather it affirms that He is not the one who does the forsaking.
We already HAVE eternal life!
When the Bible speaks of possessing eternal life, it speaks in the present tense (hath, have, etc.) - SOMETHING WE ALREADY HAVE! If we had to work or endure to keep our salvation, this could not be true.
"He that believeth on the Son HATH EVERLASTING LIFE:.. ." John 3:36
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE,. . ." 1 John 5:13
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE,. . ." John 5:24
I want you to notice something that they said here, "If we had to work or endure to keep our salvation, this could not be true." Jesus disagrees with their doctrine of devils, and said, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved" (Matthew 10:22). If you are going to believe the UES teachers you will have to be a rejecter of the word of God. Is a doctrinal excuse to sin worth calling into question Jesus' Own words?
The Bible does teach that we presently have eternal life, but it also teaches that it is something we receive at the completion of our faith at death (1 Peter 1:9). While we do presently possess eternal life, we also can forfeit that possession in this life. They prove nothing by using these verses except that we presently have salvation, but they can only argue from theory that you do not have to work or endure to keep your salvation. Notice that they give no Scripture for that main argument, and that they go against Jesus (Matthew 10:22).
Jesus will NOT cast you out!
". . . him that cometh to me I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT." John 6:37
They purposely do not quote the whole verse, so lets look at the whole verse.
John 6:37
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
All Jesus is talking about here is the initial coming to Christ that all sinners must do to be saved. Jesus is simply giving a glorious promise that He will not cast out anyone that comes to Him for salvation. This has nothing to do with believers, because believers have already come to Christ and now follow Him (Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23; John 12:26).
We are PERFECTED FOR EVER!
We are "perfected for ever" by Jesus Christ. How could the Lord say such a bold statement if we had to earn or keep our salvation?
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE FOR ALL. . . For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOR EVER them that are sanctified." Hebrews 10:10,14
Here they put two separate verses together to get the reader to interpret it their way. This is highly dishonest, but all to common among the once saved, always saved crowd, because they do not feel they have to do what is right because they think that they are saved no matter what wickedness they do.
Hebrews 10:10-14
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Now that you read the verses in context it is clear that their point is that the offering of the body of Jesus Christ did forever what the daily sacrifices tried to do. His offering perfected the sanctified forever and there is no need for another offering, or for Him to be offered again. His one sacrifice was more than enough. This is not teaching, as is clear from the context, that the sanctified can never become unsanctified, but that the sanctified are perfect forever. As long as one remains in Christ they are of the sanctified, thus, are perfected forever.
We are PRESERVED in Christ Jesus!
"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED IN JESUS CHRIST, and called:" Jude 1
"And THE LORD. . . WILL PRESERVE ME unto his heavenly kingdom:. . ." 2 Timothy 4:18
The truth that we are preserved in Jesus Christ does not prove unconditional eternal security. All such verses like this mention being in Christ, and as long as one remains in Christ these verses apply to them.
We are KEPT by the POWER of God!
"Who are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:5
"Now unto him that is able TO KEEP YOU from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," Jude 24
Neither of these verses prove unconditional eternal security. God is the One that keeps us, and that is great, but we can choose to fall away by sinning. As long as one remains in Christ and lives holy the Lord keeps them. It is not, however, God's responsibility to keep one saved who does not want to be saved anymore.
We are SEALED until the day of redemption!
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby YE ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30
". . .after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13
The first verse they quote from is Ephesians 4:30. This in no way proves unconditional eternal security, rather warns against forfeiting salvation by grieving the Holy Spirit of God. Ephesians 1:13 also proves nothing for their theory, because the fact that one is sealed once they are saved does not change the fact that they can forfeit their salvation.
What about the BACKSLIDER?
What about the "backslider" or somebody that forsakes the Lord? The Bible says he will suffer loss (rewards, etc.) - but he himself shall be saved!
"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire." 1 Corinthians 3:11-15
This is dung! Sinners love hearing this kind of garbage, because they feel no need to truly repent and be saved. Read 1 Corinthians 3 in context. The whole idea is that a man's works may have been bad and he will lose reward for that, but that he will not lose his soul. This is true for every believer who commits a sin and repents of their sin. They will not be rewarded for that bad deed, but since they repented they also will not lose their soul. Once again the whole thought is that this is someone in Christ, and not someone who has refused to repent of their bad deed, thus making them not in Christ.
What if we later - BELIEVE NOT?
Our salvation is so secure - even if we BELIEVE NOT after we're saved, because we become part of Him (the body of Christ), ". . .yet he abideth faithful: HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF."
"If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF." 2 Timothy 2:13
Once again they have misunderstood the plain reading of the text and ripped it from its context. Let's read the context of 2 Timothy 2:13.
2 Timothy 2:11-13
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Paul wrote this to believers and told them that "if we deny him, he also will deny us." This is totally opposite of the false teaching of unconditional eternal security. In the context of the truth that He will deny believers if they deny Him we see that even if a believer falls away from the faith and stops believing, Jesus still remains faithful and cannot deny Himself. He will be faithful to deny anyone that denies Him, for He cannot deny Himself.
But what if I sin an awful sin?
1 Corinthians 5 reports of an awful sin in the church. And even though Paul commands ". . . To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh" - Paul still speaks of that person being saved - ". . .that the spirit MAY BE SAVED. . ."
"It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. . .To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit MAY BE SAVED in the day of the Lord Jesus." 1 Corinthians 5:1,5
Read 1 Corinthians 5:1-5. This person flat out lies when they say, "Paul still speaks of that person being saved." Read the verse! All Paul is saying is, "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus" (1 Corinthians 5:5). Paul simply states the desired result of delivering "such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh" is "that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord." If the destruction of the flesh brings one to repentance their spirit will be saved in the day of the Lord.
To lose your salvation - makes God a LIAR!
With all the PROMISES from God to KEEP you, to SAVE you, to PRESERVE you - to even suggest you could lose your salvation - is to call God a LIAR!
". . .he that BELIEVETH NOT GOD hath made him a LIAR; . . ." 1 John 5:10
This is the typical unconditional eternal securist's scare tactic. They are well aware in their heart that they are wrong and are teaching a false gospel, and can only resort to trying to scare people into believing against the Bible with them. All of these promises mentioned hinge on the fact that one is in Christ. If one backslides and becomes out of Christ these promises do not apply to them. The true people making God a liar are those who reject the Bible's plain teachings on salvation, free will, and the possibility of forfeiting one's salvation, and not those who choose to agree with the Bible and reject men's self-serving traditions.
Those who believe in "falling away" accuse those who believe in "eternal security" of promoting "cheap grace." While it may be a convenient expression, the latter phrase is of course unbiblical. To call it "cheap" is really a denial of grace, since it implies that too small a price has been paid. Grace, however, must be absolutely free and without any price at all on man's part; while on God's part the price He paid was infinite. Thus for man to think that his works can play any part in either earning or keeping his salvation is what cheapens grace, devaluing this infinite gift to the level of human effort.
To speak of "falling from grace" involves the same error. Since our works had nothing to do with meriting grace in the first place, there is nothing we could do that would cause us no longer to merit it and thus "fall" from it. Works determine reward or punishment—not one's salvation, which comes by God's grace. The crux of the problem is a confusion about grace and works.
This is the typical reasoning of the UES teachers. I believe this type of total illogic is a sign of their depravity, because sinners tend to use the same illogic to win an argument. Instead of dealing with the facts they pretend those who disagree with them are attacking grace. If anyone says that someone is promoting a cheap grace, that does not mean they are talking about God's grace. God's grace is not cheap, the pretend grace of the UES teachers IS CHEAP! God's grace cost His Son His life and requires the saved to live righteously, the UES teachers grace cost their god's son his life and requires nothing! That, my friends is cheap, at least on the receiver's end, because it never requires or costs anything of them.
Now, I am not talking about earning your salvation, rather not forfeiting it. True salvation is a free gift from God, but it does cost us something. We have to deny ourselves, we have to repent, we have to live righteously, etc. All these things cost us something, but it does not mean that we are earning God's grace. I can give you a present that is wrapped in a box. You would have to unwrap it and open it to get the free gift. Just because you had to do works to get to the free gift does not mean that you earned it. The gift still is free even if it requires some works. This is the same with salvation.
These cheap grace teacher deny that works have any part in our keeping salvation. We can use the illustration of the gift I used above again for this argument. Now that you have that free gift does that mean that you can never forfeit it or give it up? Of course not! You could, by your works, forfeit that gift and it would still have been a totally free gift. This free gift would have been rejected later by you, but this does not change the fact that it is free. This also does not cheapen the gift in the least. The gift is the same glorious free gift, but you have chosen to do away with it by your works. You can do the same with the free gift of salvation by your works.
Notice how this cheap grace teacher (in this case Dave Hunt) says, "To speak of "falling from grace" involves the same error. Since our works had nothing to do with meriting grace in the first place, there is nothing we could do that would cause us no longer to merit it and thus "fall" from it."
What he is doing is saying that the Bible, God's holy word, is in error, because in it people are said to have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). He denies that this can happen, while the Bible teaches that it can and has happened. This is all to common among the UES teachers. They are quick to deny the word of God when it rebukes their theories on grace and salvation. It is sad to see so many people be deceived into believing unbiblical teachings such as "once saved, always saved" by teachers denying Biblical truths and calling them "errors." No, the real error is with the false unconditional eternal security teachers and not with God and the Bible!
If salvation from the penalty of breaking God’s laws cannot be earned by good deeds, then it cannot be lost by bad deeds. Our works play no part in either earning or keeping salvation. If it could, then those who reach heaven could boast that while Christ saved them they, by their good lives, kept their salvation. Thus God would be robbed of having all the glory in eternity.
This is what most once saved, always saved people actually believe. They really believe that our salvation is "from the penalty of breaking God's laws." Yet, read for yourself in Matthew what Jesus came to do, "he shall save his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21). Nowhere does the Bible ever say or indicate that we are saved from the penalty of breaking God's New Testament Laws. This is apostate, soul-damning garbage. This is not the triumphant and overcoming teaching of the Bible.
"Falling away" doctrine makes us worse off after we are saved than before. At least before conversion we can get saved. But after we are saved and have lost our salvation (if we could), we can’t get saved again, but are lost forever. Hebrews 6:4-6 declares, "If [not when] they shall fall away...it is impossible (v 4)...to renew them again unto repentance." That "falling away" is hypothetical is clear (v 9): "But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak." So "falling away" does not "accompany salvation." The writer is showing us that if we could lose our salvation, we could never get it back without Christ dying again upon the cross. Such thinking is folly! He would have to die an infinite number of times (i.e., every time every once-saved person sinned, was lost, and wanted to be "saved again"). Thus, those who reject "once saved, always saved," can only replace it with, "once lost, always lost!"
Pay close attention to the "logic" used by the UES teachers. It is obvious that God has given them up to foolishness and unreasoning. They refuse to be bound by the will of God, thus He has left them to destroy themselves. Hebrews 6:4-6 does not teach that if we loose salvation we can never be saved again. All it teaches is that those who have "fallen away" (not just fallen from grace) cannot be renewed again unto repentance. Anyone who totally falls away from the faith and becomes an apostate can never be saved again, because Christ would have to be recrucified. This has no reference to those who forfeit their salvation by committing sin, and regain it by repenting of their sin, because they have not become "fallen away" yet.
Here is the actual quote from Hebrews 6:4-6 so you can see the truth for yourself. Most of these once saved, always saved people will not give the actual quotes from the texts they are referencing much. This is because they assume that most people will not look up a quote if they only give a reference, thus they will just believe what the teachers say. ALWAYS LOOK UP ANY REFERENCE GIVEN AND COMPARE SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE! No teacher can quote every single Scripture they give in reference, but if they quote almost no Scripture there is a problem.
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
No normal backslider has come to the point of being fallen away. They have forfeited their salvation by sin, but have not totally done away with faith in Christ. Only an apostate can never be renewed again.
"To imply that salvation is maintained by good works ( not sinning ) is to take the daily burden of salvation upon ourselves. This means that there will be room for boasting in heaven. Salvation is based on faith alone and not a combination of faith and works."
Here is the usual faulty logic of the OSAS people in favor of sin. Why go to such lengths to defend living in sin? Why not go to such lengths and even greater to be free from sin and live holy and pleasing to God? This lady says that believing the Bible and obeying it "is to take the daily burden of salvation upon ourselves." True. The Lord Jesus saves us from sin but we are still commanded to "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12). Jesus said, "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light" (Matthew 11:29-30). But do you notice that He does not say there will be no yoke or no burden, rather that the yoke is easy and the burden light.
OSAS are looking for no burden and no yoke, while Jesus says He will give us both, but they will not be as hard as the burden and yoke of the devil and sin. It is not hard to live free from sin if one is truly saved because "they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts" (Galatians 5:24), and, "if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation" (2 Corinthians 5:17-18).
I suggest that these OSAS people get truly born-again and then they will find out that good works and living free from sin are not difficult when you have been made a new creature in Christ!
This lady said, "This means that there will be room for boasting in heaven." Yes, all true believers will be able to boast things such as "Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth" (Revelation 5:10), and, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing" (Revelation 5:12). "In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah" (Psalms 44:8). Truly all believers will be boasting in the Lord, but we will have no room to boast in ourselves, for we are not saved by works but by grace through faith in order that we might do good works (Ephesians 2:8-10).
She goes on to say, "Salvation is based on faith alone and not a combination of faith and works." This is false. The Bible calls faith alone "dead faith" (James 2:17). The vast majority of Protestants and OSAS people have this kind of a faith. They glory in being saved by faith alone, all the while making the Bible a lie. See Faith Alone? for more Scriptural proof destroying the doctrine of devils called "Faith Alone."
"It is important for Christians to believe that the positional things God says about them are really so. Sin and disobedience cannot annul a Christian's position in Christ, but they can and will seriously mar his walk with God. Even though our position is secure in Christ, we should not adopt the attitude that we can do as we please. We are still responsible to live a life of quality that reflects our heavenly position to the world."
Interesting.... Why is it that the UES people and other false teachers always have great sounding theories and NEVER have two or three plain Scriptures teaching what they want to believe. If the Bible said "Sin and disobedience cannot annul a Christian's position in Christ" then many verses would be made false. (See Scriptures Thoroughly Disproving Unconditional Eternal Security.) The UES people need to just believe the word of God and stop trying to make excuses for sin and rebellion which is only a sign of their hatred for the Lord and not love for Him (John 14:15)!
If free will were a truth, then there would be no security to the believer, whether here or in the hereafter.
Like the angels that sinned, we also could sin & fall away. For the Bible says we shall be like the angels.
Please see The Eternal Security of the Believer.
This is sad. No Scriptures are given, rather mere theory and speculation. He rules out the power of the resurrection from the dead in which believers will be perfected in body and completed in spirit. Just because one has the ability to fall away does not mean they will. There are millions of elect angels that could have fallen away but chose not to.
Also the only "Biblical" reasoning he gives for his theories is a twisting of the Scriptures. He says the Bible says "we shall be like the angels," but this is taking the Scripture out of its context, changing its wording, and destroying the whole point. The Scripture says, "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" (Matthew 22:29-30).
Notice that Jesus did not say "we shall be like the angels," rather He said that those that take part in the resurrection "neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." How are the resurrected people "as the angels of God in heaven?" Obviously from the context because "they neither marry, nor are given in marriage."
Special thanks again to our dear Sister Tanya for sending me many of these quotes. May the Lord reward you richly for your desire to see the truth revealed to OSAS people.
Please send us the quotes of unconditional eternal securists so they can be rebuked for the sake of those deceived by this false gospel. I can only quote from the main thought of most of the articles sent, because otherwise this page would by WAAAAAY too long. I have no intentions of misrepresenting anyone's position. The quotes here are not in agreement with everyone that teaches once saved, always saved. No claim is made that they represent all of their views.
There are a few once saved, always save people that could not be classified as unconditional eternal securists. They believe that once a person is saved they are always saved, but they believe if someone commits a death-penalty or mortal sin they were never saved in the first place. This idea denies that one can forfeit their salvation, but comes to the same ending conclusion as the Bible, and that is that the person committing such sins is not saved. So the only real difference in these people's belief and the Bible is that the Bible does teach people can forfeit salvation and these people do not. I have no real argument with these people because they generally proclaim holiness and thoroughly rebuke sin. They do not excuse the sin of professed Christians, rather they call for them to be converted from sin. I find their position wrong, but their conclusion is correct. These people are hardly sinners looking for an excuse to sin and a license to sin like most of the once saved, always saved teachers are and are to be considered faithful brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ.
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